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i want brooke and owen be married

great podcast, just started listening today. I love peyton, so i am obvious a leyton fan, but i see everything your are all saying. I do not think that haley and nathan should brake it off after all they've been through. but i agree with alot of what your saying...this is definatly a great podcast. the best ever! i love it!

I would have to agree with the Nathan being a bit slow to react to haleys question. He was pretty hestitant considering he didn't even cheat on her. However something that gets on my nerves about Haley, even though I love Naley.. would be that she tries to act like she's perfect.. getting mad at everyone for making a slip. Like getting so mad at Nathan when he said he didn't do anything with Carrie..that she kissed him or for getting mad at Lucas for kissing Peyton. She kissed Chris..twice, in season 2 and took forever to come to her senses and go back home. At least Nathan fought for her the whole time, and now she wants a divorce and can't forgive him? Riiight. She's the one who had the doubts about the marriage previously because she was being kind of selfish in season 2 for a while there. Also, I agree there wasn't as much Leyton fighting for each other in the last few seasons.. but there was some internally.. Peyton was inlove with Lucas the whole time but there was the Brooke issue keeping her from fighting for him. She tried to be a best friend to Brooke and bury her feelings..hense falling for Jake when she was on the rebound, she never really loved him as much as she thought at the time, she just found it easier to forget Lucas while with Jake, someone who cared for her back. Lucas was a bit slow catching on but i think he has a problem falling for every girl he meets. He don't know who he wants..I am a huge Leyton fan, have been since season 1.. but Lucas needs to soon make up his mind.. how many 'love of his life' are there? Peyton, Brooke, Peyton again, Lindsay? Time to get off the pot Lucas! :) Anyway, sorry for the long comment. First time listening to your podcast, therefore first comment. Look forward to the next one!

mia u are totally wrong about leyton..they are meant to be together and she even went to his book signing but saw lindsay kiss him so she thought he had moved on so she knew she fought she thought he gave up so dont say they arent meant to be because they didnt fight because they did and still are..it may not be physically but its mentally...im the hugest leyton fan ever!!!

It's basically being shoved down our throats that these two are meant to be and that Brucas basically never happened, but if you watch the past seasons, it's obvious that that's not a natural progression. Yea, in season 1 Lucas had a crush on Peyton when she was with Nathan but he was also with Brooke at the time and by the end of the season he was basically over Peyton. Then he spent most of season 2 being friends with and pinning over Brooke. All of season 3, he was with Brooke. Then all of a sudden, a third of the way into season 4 he goes from being the guy who answers Peyton's love confession with an "Oh... I'm in love with Brooke" to the guy whose making out with her in class...? He might have had a crush on her like 6 years ago but how does that really spell out meant to be? Even the 1 or 2 years they were together after graduating, they only saw each other a few times.

EXACLTY MY THOUGHTS, they are acting like brucas never happened. pathetic way to trie and get viewers to fall inlove with leyton

I know a lot of people may not feel this way but can we please give Nathan a break? I happen to love him! It all happened so suddently with the nanny, and at least he decided to tell her. He could've just lied to her.
I think Haley acted too hastily when she said she wanted a divorce. I really hope she doesn't go through with it.
As for the whole Dan thing, I think Nathan still has some issues with him. Dan controlled him for so long that it's kind of hard just to get rid of that.

I respect your perspectives though and can't wait for next episode

And I loved that you guys pointed out that LL didn't just happen out of nowhere. They've been together for 2 years and have probably spent more time being in a relationship where they saw each other on a daily basis then Pucas have.

I'd really love you hear what you guys would have to say about the Leyton-Brucas topic after watching all the previous seasons, so if you ever get the chance, be sure to podcast your opinions =)

Oh, and about Tim from the last episode, I don't know if anyone explained that to you but Tim was basically Nathan's dumb sidekick in high school. He wasn't gay or anything but the guy was seriously in love with Nathan. So him naming his son Nathan was creepy yes, but it was kinda funny because it was alluding to highschool.

Ok, so that was a longgg rant, sorry, but I couldn't help it. Can't wait for the next podcast =D

No hate mail from me about the Pucas comment =) I love listening to the podcasts from you girls because you seem totally unbiased (and I'm not just saying that after the anti-Leyton comment made because I've heard plenty pro-Leyton stuff too and I'm still listening). I totally agree with the comment, I mean, the fighting for each other thing, especially on Lucas's part, was such a big theme in the Brucas relationship and here it's like well, now that we're together and not with other people, we don't care so much what happens... until one of us is happy with someone else of course and then'll we'll fight for each other.

It's basically being shoved down our throats that these two are meant to be and that Brucas basically never happened, but if you watch the past seasons, it's obvious that that's not a natural progression. Yea, in season 1 Lucas had a crush on Peyton when she was with Nathan but he was also with Brooke at the time and by the end of the season he was basically over Peyton. Then he spent most of season 2 being friends with and pinning over Brooke. All of season 3, he was with Brooke. Then all of a sudden, a third of the way into season 4 he goes from being the guy who answers Peyton's love confession with an "Oh... I'm in love with Brooke" to the guy whose making out with her in class...? He might have had a crush on her like 6 years ago but how does that really spell out meant to be? Even the 1 or 2 years they were together after graduating, they only saw each other a few times.

hey guys I'm from the UK. A I gotta say. I love the podcasts that you do. All of them have been awesome. I read some of the comments people said to you guys and I have to say some of them were harsh, You guys didn't derserve that. As for this weeks podcast I thought it was funny and really great. I do like Brooke and Owen together but I am a Brucas fan. Always have always will. I totally agree with you guys about Nathan he should have spoke up to Haley but in all kindness I think Haley is over reacting with the divorce thing. Jackie I'm so glad to hear that you've followed One Tree Hill but it's always good to hear non=biased thoughts like Sarah and Mia's. Keep up the good work

hey guys I'm from the UK. A I gotta say. I love the podcasts that you do. All of them have been awesome. I read some of the comments people said to you guys and I have to say some of them were harsh, You guys didn't derserve that. As for this weeks podcast I thought it was funny and really great. I do like Brooke and Owen together but I am a Brucas fan. Always have always will. I totally agree with you guys about Nathan he should have spoke up to Haley but in all kindness I think Haley is over reacting with the divorce thing. Jackie I'm so glad to hear that you've followed One Tree Hill but it's always good to hear non=biased thoughts like Sarah and Mia's. Keep up the good work

Whoo-hoo! Finally, a fan! (And one who remembers my name, too!) Thanks, shailee!

And thanks for the kind words about my generic evil guy voice, Thyri!

We're having a blast watching the show and doing the podcasts, and we rally do want to know when you agree and when you think we're totally off base. Keep commenting, everyone!

I love you girls' podcast. Seriously you always succeed in making me laugh. Lol you girls have so much personality and it really shows. No matter how many people hate you, there's still a lot of us that love you, I'm sure. And even if I don't agree with some of your opinions, it's really good to get both sides, because for example, I am a Leyton fan, and I still listen to the Brucas fans. Keep up the good work!

Ok, never wrote a comment before but i just wanted to see if anyone else felt the same way.

I've always loved the show for Nathan and Haley, so i'm mad at the writers for always trying to brake them up but oh well, the show probebly needs that.

As for Lucas, loved him in the beginning, but it's getting old.. i mean he never really says the truth. Actually, i'm starting to like Lindsey sooo.

And i think Owen and Brooke should get together cause if she can't have Lucas, i think she deserves someone who loves her for who she really is.

As for Dan, i think it would be fun to see him again. I mean i think he's a better vilain then Carrie.

I am happy to see Rachel again, having had practicly no news of her.

Coming back to Nathan and Haley.
I can't help hating her for giving up now, i know it's not her fault and that she's really great, but with everything that happened between them, Nathan and Haley have to stay together in my opinion.

I understand your point of view, that Nathan should speak up for himself.

I'm not a huge fan but i think it's a fun series and i have watched all the previous episodes.

xxx
By the way, i like your podcasts.

roxanne

I love the podcast guys its great top here the different perspectives on the show cause sometimes I’m like 'oh yeah I didn't see that'. lol
Anyway I just wanted to say that though I do think Haley reacted rather dramatically she has a number of reasons to do so: 1)yeah Nathan didn't really give her any reason to believe his side of the story 2)of course she does have insecurities that played a part in her reaction 3)but also Nathans accident has to be taken into account - she has just spent months being miserable and feeling alone , they are just getting their marriage back on track and I honestly don't think they were doing as great as they thought they were even without Carrie being a psycho! we've had very few close intimate Naley scenes this season so I guess it’s just the straw that broke the camel’s back!

Anyway I love Nathan and Haley, and they are great together so I have faith they will work it out! lol

Thanks again! x

heyy, guys i just wanted to say i lovee your podcass, i listen to them weekly, and whoever has been busting on thay are just jealous they cant make aweosme podcasts like u guys do, and one more thing mark is not ur only fan i am too!! i love ur podcasts keep making um!! :)

heyy guyss i love love love your podcasts, and whoever left comments saying u have no rite to talk about it because u havent watched all the way through, dont listen to them they r stupid ,U GUYS ROCK!!!!, hey, and mark schwan isnt ur only fan i am too!!!! i love you gus, keep on doing the podcasts i love to hear wat u guys think!! cant wait tell next weeks podcast!!

Lucas did get in contact with Peyton and told her to come to the book signing. this was before he went on a first date with Lindsay. thats why Lucas was so mad when Peyton tells him that she was there but she seen Lindsay kiss Lucas so she thought they were together and it made her leave. Lucas probably wanted to work things out and he probably thought b/c she didn't show he got his answer so he moved on. but now he's all confused b/c she was there and he probably would be planning their wedding 3 years later if it wasn't for lindsay.

this is not exactly related to the podcast but, it's a way to get it through to the techy guys;

can you sort out the main OTH page, it takes like a minute to load the actual page before you can do anything. you need to break the news into pages so that we arent loading every news item from god knows when!

... great podcast btw :)

I love you guys! The podcast is so great and pretty funny. As much as I love One Tree Hill, you guys are usually right. I'm not a fan of Lucas and Peyton, so Keep it up!

I need to put my two sense in concerning Leyton. Everyone keeps saying that they didn't fight for each other but if you remember Lucas did call Peyton and told her about his book signing. He didn't want it to be over and he reached out to her. Obviously when Peyton went to the book signing it showed that she didn't want it to be over as well but was scared off when seeing him with Lindsey.

On that note...

People keep saying that they dont have selfless love. People keep saying that Brooke/Lucas had it because he wanted her to be happy in season 2 but what about when Lucas was lusting after Brooke. Peyton knew that she had feelings for Lucas in seasons 3 and 4 and she backed off because he wanted to be with Brooke. Even now she let him go so he can be happy with Lindsey because she wants Lucas to be happy...

That is my two cents. I am a Leyton fan for a reason. They are true love for my reasons and more. Its just funny how people are saying that Brucas was selfless when so many times Leyton has been selfless as well.

hey - i'm a fan from Sydney, Australia. the only news i get about OTH is from the web, because its not aired here .. so all eps are online only! Ur podcasts are amazing, and every week i wait for them after the show. i have to wait till wed night coz its still mondays in America when its tues here...those r the hardest days to wait for the show lol. anyhoo i just wanted to say that i love all your comments, big SARAH fan, ur halarious, and Mia i have all your songs!!! also i'm a huge naley fan..(weird i know :).. and i loved this ep and how seperate each character was, the flow of the ep was perfect and i nearly died when i saw how sad haley was and pained nate was when they saw jamie in the pool! they CANT divorce, and i hope all the characters find people in thier lives to love them. p.s dont you think there should be more haley and lucas scenes now that hes getting married and all?
lots of love from down under....!!! xox

ok I use to watch One Tree Hill a long time! I started watching this season again! Im lost on what happen to lucas mom? Did she die or did she move away with nathans mom? Can someone please help me out and let me know? thanks guys!!!
I love this show!

OH YEAH! i totally didnt realize that was you when i was listening to the podcast! thats great! yeah, that day at the party was like the best day of my life! and that interview gave me a small following... lol, i was at the macy's tour back in january and people acutally asked me if i was "the tattoo kid" well thanx for reminding me that that was you! im excited for the next podcast!

Eric

Eric, I remember you -- we met in Wilmington when Jason C. interviewed you! Good to see you commenting.

Katie, I agree with you; the more I think about it, the more I think Rachel is going to cause trouble for Brooke and Owen. If Rachel and Owen do have some kind of past (as many of you suspect -- and I'm starting to think so, too), will they start up again now that she's in Tree Hill? We'll have to wait and see!

Ha, Brittney, thanks for being my fan ;)

Thanks for all the comments, everyone! We'll address more in next week's podcast.

Okay..so I loved this podcast and I am not sure who is writing all these comments about how ya'll are wrong or what not, but I am a huge OTH fan and I never want to hear bad things, but we are all entitled to our own opinions, right?! Ya'll are hilarious. Keep up the good work! Now, about the Leyton comment..I am one of the biggest Leyton fans..I am cheering them on, but I have to say you do have a point... I have wondered that myself. I hope we are wrong or we are missing something.. Have a good one!

I am glad you addressed the previous seasons comments. I understand that it's a fresh pair of eyes and that you are entitled to your opinion, just as we are entitled to our opinion. However, I still stand by what I have said before about you watching the previous seasons.

One thing I am confused on is how Rachel coming back will affect Nathan and Haley. Towards the end of the podcast you said it would be bad for Haley. I know Rachel stirs up trouble but I don't think it will affect Nathan and Haley. Rachel did hit on Nathan in S4 but that was squashed when Haley said she was pregnant and Nathan told Rachel she didn't have a chance in hell with him. I think she'll be more trouble for Brooke, Victoria and Owen.

I love your podcasts. I loved the accent Sarah used for the Dan impression. Even though I don't always agree with your opinions I love listening to you guys. :) Keep up the good work.
With love from Iceland
-Thyri

MIA! THANK YOU!! Lucas and Peyton NEVER fought for each other! Brooke and Lucas always fought for each other when one of them broke it off! Lucas and Peyton only work when they're sneaking around and cheating!

I love your podcasts! Keep it up guys! I agree with almost all of your opinion, lol. Naley and the last scene broke my heart! I felt it drop when she said she wanted a divorce!

Haley did kiss Chriss Keller in the past, that's right but she was what, 17? This is a bit different story and I know Nathan was a mess than but they are now married and have a child and thinks are different. And also Haley got through a lot of though times because of Nathan (season 4 - Dante for example, season 5 - Nathan's behaviour after the accident) so I can understand why she is so mad. And she is not only angry because of the cheating part but mainly angry at his decision that jeopardize their family.

I hate it that Mark can't give them some other problems then infidelity...I mean c'mon we had: the stripper, Haley's sister, Chris Keller and now the psycho nanny. Does Mark really think this is the only problem a married couple with a son can have?

Somebody wrote earlier that they are mad at the Brooke/Owen plot. I'm glad and I hope it won't be messed up because Brooke has a right to be happy...just because she can't have Lucas doesn't mean she has to be a spinster and die alone.

I love your podcast - it makes me laugh every week! I love all of you but mostly I agree with Mia, you say what I think. :) and I love that you two didn't watch the show because you have some distance and are more objective than any of us. SO keep it going!

TLA means true love ALWAYS and not every 3 years or sth. I totally agree with Mia - I mean if their love was so big, they would call each other, put their insecurities behind. But this is Leyton and their is nothing easy...I don't like Leyton too much because it's not realistic and Mark forgets about a lot of details - like the book, as far as I can remember he started to write it when he was with Brooke...how come he wrote a book about his big love about Peyton than...does it mean he is a bigger ass than he already is?

Plus Peyton was truly happy with Jake and Jenny! :)and it ended because of talking in your sleep....yeah right...

Anyway:

Victoria+Dan-awesome idea, like mr&mrs Smith LOL
Nathan - he is like a wounded puppy, with his sad eyes not able to say sth. I know were Haley's coming from but I'm sure they'll work it out.
Carrie - OMG she must have been in a mental institution..."Oh that is so Nathan" - wtf? she is a nutter.
Owen - I really loved him this episode (not only the shirt part :D) but it was weird when he was saying baby and honey all the time...you don't say that to a person you don't know...it would be rather: c'mon wake up Rachel.

Just wanted to say thanks for addressing the ones that don't always agree with your podcast, but I do still listen! I was wondering if I would get called out! Haha!

Just to address the comment about Lucas being angry at Nathan for not mentioning seeing Dan. I think he was completely in the right about it. He killed his uncle who might as well have been his dad. Not to mention tried to grab hold of Karen afterwards. Just thought it was good to see a level headed Lucas for once this season.

Hey, my name is Eric, or "The Tattoo Kid" cause i have this huge tattoo which is a quote said by peyton in season 2, and i acutally had hil sign in and i got her signature tattooed on also, so its like a permanant autograph, lots of people think im crazy (including my parents) but im just a really really dedicated fan... haha.

now... i have to say who ever said your podcasts are a waste of their day obviously wernt listening to the same podcast, i check the cw every day to see when you guys put it up because its one of my favorite things about the episode, is to wait and hear youre guys' thoughs afterwards! and, i have to say... im a fan of all 3 of you guys! you guys raise amazing points about everything,

and as far as not watching the show in the past, who cares? you're watching it now! what i love to do is to bring in new people to oth, every summer i find a few frineds who dont watch, and we watch all the episodes and ive gotten dozens of people hooked, and my favorite part is to see what they think... i like to hear their opinions... thats why i like to hear yours too!

and i have to say... i am a leyton fan as well, but what you said about them not chasing back after each other is the reason why leyton is bothering me! c'mon now!

and the idea of victoira and dan together would be WONDERFUL... well EVIL but, fun... it would be great to see... maybe even if they went up against each other... who would be the bigger evil???

dun dun dun.

Eric
"The Tattoo Kid"

Yes thank you Mia, totally agree about what you said about Nathan and Haley. He NEEDS to open his mouth. I totally see where Haley is coming from. He should have told Haley about the Nanny WAY before 5.10 anyway. I don't want Nathan and Haley to break up by any means, but I can definitely see Haley's POV in this situation.

hey, first off, i love y'alls podcast. it has me laughing every week. i just wanted to give my two cents on the whole owen/brroke thing.
i think he didn't call the ambulance right away for a reason, but not to act as a hero. it's the same reason he kicked the drug dealer's a** out of the apartment. it's brooke's apartment. she could get into major trouble for that. not to mention that she is somewhat of a celebrity, and it wouldn't be good if word got out about her having drugs and somebody overdosing at her apartment. i think owen was just looking out for her, honestly.
like i said, love y'alls podcast, and i love the fact that y'all speak so openly. i've been watching the show from the beginning, but i agree with y'all almost completely on most of the stuff, so keep up the good work and the laughs.

I have to disagree MAJORLY on all your comments about LP.

I do believe that Lucas gave up very easily on their relationship but they were 19 years old, and his ego was SEVERELY bruised.

And with the 3 year break we have no idea if Peyton/Lucas did fight for their relationship.

They are the ULTIMATE bad timing couple and in my opinion they will always be TLA.

I think that Lucas has settled for Lindsey and are you ladies really going to tell me that you believe Lucas is not still in love with Peyton? She's his muse, the love of his life, and she was at one point everything to him.

It took Peyton a long time to realize that her life wasn't the same without Lucas in it. She needed to try for her dream and I believe that she's finally doing what she wants she just doesn't have who she wants.

Anyways, I disagree GREATLY but I do love you girls and these podcasts.

Can't wait for next week.

Loving this podcast! In fact, I've loved all your podcast and glad you guys do it!

So, I’m sorry you guys get those haters, complaints and those comments where fans have told you to do research or whatever. To keep it short, its great, like Mia says, you guys bring a new light, and you do have a balance because Jackie has followed the series. Lol, I think it’s obvious that the OTH fan base is an incredibly die hard fan base. And I’ve seen where people are ripped into shreds about some of their comments about a certain character or couple. So…Mia, you made me laugh about the comment you made about putting on the boxing gloves, cause its so true haha.

And I’m a fan too Mia! Well, I’m a fan of all three of you guys actually! But Mia, you made me laugh out loud about the “Bitch, Wake up” comment, seriously!

Also, Mia, I’m a HUGE Naley fan, which is probably the main reason why I watch this show, but I totally Loved and agree with you on your comments about Nathan being a dumbass and the whole situation between the two characters. He definitely needs to voice his opinion, and I agree with all Three of you during the whole time you guys talked about Nathan and Haley. And Sarah, it pains me to see what’s happening to Haley as well, because I love her, my favorite character in the show, but totally get what you’re saying about how her insecurities are getting the best of her. (Btw, I love Bethany Joy Galeotti and I’m glad to see she gets to portray her awesome acting skills in this episode.) Jackie, totally, I feel like they are definitely punishing Haley, great point!

Again, love your podcast. And I’m glad you guys appreciate/read all the comments like you said which is why I decided to put my comment in this time!

Peyton and Lucas are not true love. I can't believe someone can think that. Please bring Brucas back, such a beautiful love story. I don't understand how you just forget about it. It makes me angry and incredibly sad.

Girls I really have to say I enjoy listening to your podcasts and you always make a lot of good points :)

your spot on with what you said about leyton, .As a brucas fan I of course do feel way too much time is dedicated to leyton, what annoys me is the fact how a relationship which was lets be honest was born out of cheating ,lies and hurting others is glorified by mark and co as "true love" and how peyton is named selfless because to quite frankly burst the bubble its not true.She even says in so many words that shes selfless ,its not selfless when you basically ask for that recognition lol nor is then selfless to continue to say what she did to lindsay in (509). Girls I dont know if you have watched any of season 4 but if not you should and watch some brooke and lucas scenes because in all honesty brooke has always been the selfless one , she lets him go even though its clear she loves him more than anything but she puts his happiness above her own and not once does she ever beg for recognition for it like some other characters seem to ;) . You also should watch season 2 and 3 because the build up in the brucas story is amazing and im sure when watching it you all would see why we love them so much plus it would really be interesting to hear your pointsof view about all this in your next podcast :) Plus as you all say leyton never fought for each other at all and peyton only ever seems to want him when hes with someone else I dunno its just my opinion

Also I too got the impression that owen knew rachel LOL im glad to see I wasnt the only one who thought so plus wasnt it a little strange that there wasnt any scene where rachel talks to owen? (I dont think there was anyways do tell me if Im wrong lol) but its just kinda strange there wasnt which did nothing but make me wonder even more if owen did know her and thats why there wasnt any scenes this wasnt to let the cat out of the bag yet lol

My heart broke for haley, gosh those scenes were so sad with her and nathan, I do agree about the fact nathan should have just said the truth straight away ,I really do like nathan as a character so thats not me hating on him either lol but I really do think he just owed it to haley to say straight away because then it wouldnt have hurt her half as much as it did because he kept it from her .

anyways keep up the great work ,cant wait for your next podcast as I do love them :)

I love your podcast, it's hilarious at times. And I usually agree with a lot of the things you mention. However, I'm not really feeling Owen.

I know that since two of you haven't seen the previous seasons you probably wouldn't recognize it, but to me, I feel like Owen is just a Lucas stand in.

He seems like a nice enough guy and it's cool that he is trying to get Brooke to see that there is more to her than materialistic things - the only problem is, she's already had someone tell her that. Lucas. If you think current Brooke is um, how should I say it, promiscuous? You should have seen 16 year old Brooke before Lucas came along.

He's the original guy to realize that there was more to Brooke Davis than what met the eye. He saw beyond the party-girl front she put on and liked her for the person beneath it. When Lucas believed in her, she believed in herself. He didn't care about her past and never held any of it against her. The drastic changes we saw in Brooke's personality as she matured were much like those we saw in Nathan after Haley came along. Only they were because of Lucas.

The first time Lucas and Brooke ever spoke was when he found her naked in the backseat of his car. He turned her down and drove her home.

The first time he saw what a great person she could be was when they saved a drugged-up Peyton and stayed with her for the night.

Lucas: "You know, Brooke, you don't have to act like this."

Brooke: "I know that. But you're the first guy to ever say it."

Now, almost nearly 6 years later, it seems like all of that never happened. Mainly because it seems to be happening again. Some people may not remember it all, but I do. Owen can not replace Lucas, no matter how many times he tries. It's impossible for him to impact Brooke the way Lucas already has.

Love you girls. I don't think there were something btw owen and Rachel but humm maybe Owen/Victoria...I guess we'll see. I like BO friendship but I HOPE Brooke will stay single for once. She always end up with a rondom guy :

I love all of your comments! And Jackie I'll be your fan! haha but seriously I do agree with what you girls were saying about having a different perspective on the show. There are sometimes that I wish I could watch it and not know the past, just to see how I would feel about it all.
For instance I am a die hard Brucas fan and I will be the first to admit that it clouds my judgment when it come to anything that has to do with Leyton. I try my hardest to see things from their side and to be open minded but my love for Brucas will always be there. Which is why I'm soo happy that you brought up that comment about Leyton. I was thinking that myself but I just thought that it was just the Brucas in me that was grabbing at anything to discredit Leyton. But I really don't understand that if they loved each other then why didn't they fight!?! So I'm gald that others can see that as well.

I really want Jake to come back, I love Jeyton, and that I know is not because of Brucas, its just because they were so amazing together and I think Jake was the one person who truely loved Peyton with everything he had. Its funny because Jake loved Peyton enough to let her go be with Lucas and Brooke loved Lucas enough to let him go and be with Peyton. That is selfless love! Ok so I got soo off track, anywhoo...

I have to agree that I was screaming at Nathan the entire episode because he kept standing there like an idiot. But that end when Haley said that I think i just stared at the tv shocked beyond belief for like 10 minutes. haha I have faith they will work it out, come on they are Naley, they belong together. But i keep coming back to Chris Keller too and how Haley willingly kissed him and went away with him (yeah for her music career but still) and Nathan didn't do anything wrong, except forget how to speak! haha

And I have to say I really think that there is something there with Owen and Rachel. He kept calling her baby and he was way over hyped. And then he left before Rachel had a chance to see him, so I have to think there is something going on there. Personally I love the Owen/Brooke friendship, but I dont' see anything mroe there. And once again yes I am a Brucas fan but I've looked at it without my Brucas blinders on and I just don't see them as a romantic paring.

All I know at the end of the day is that someone has to kill that nanny hoe before she does anything else! I think we can all agree on that! Can't wait to hear the next one, love you girls!

hope your niece liked her pressie! haha

Guys I loved this weeks podcast!
Mia- you were incredibly right about Nathan, hes being such a jackass. He just needs to grow up and talk to his wife......and i completely agree with you about the leyton storyline. they could have fought for each other. Everyone compares leyton to an unselfish love, but in reality, peyton and luke had hurt prides and didnt want to admit they were wrong. that sounds pretty selfish to me, if you love someone and you care about the relationship, you'll do everything in your power to make it work.

if anything, naley is an unselfish love.
I feel really bad for haley and even though two of you haven't seen S2, the haley chris senario is completly differnt from nathan and carrie.
I think alot of people don't think of the show as being realistic when they become critical. they just love their little shipper relationships. The problem that naley went through was realistic and the things that came because of it, including haley's reactions were honest and real.

you guys should do a commentary for an episode!

mia , you would get a better insight in the show as a whole having seen with your own eyes what Mark and company built up before S5.

I think you'd be a Brucas and Jeyton fan if you did. That's the only way to go. ;) True love is selfless.

Let's just say Lucas had feelings for Brooke all of S2 while she was dating Felix. What did he do? Did he pull a Peyton a lá S5? No way, he did what you should to when it comes to true love. He let her be happy if that what was she was with Felix. He supported her even though he didn't like Felix at all. Brooke ended things with Felix in episode 2.17 and in the S2 finale Lucas did kiss her and told her he wanted to be with her and he apologized because he knew they were friends but it was just how he felt. You have to watch it to understand.

Brooke and Lucas got an exclusive couple in 3.09 and stayed together to 4.01 when Brooke brought it off thanks to her oh so nice friend Peyton Sawyer who just had to tell her all off the sudden she had feelings for her boyfriend.

I think I just gave you half a recap of what happened. But you need to watch previous seasons to get the whole of the LP Vs BL triangle. It's the core in the show... and well like I said not to forget Peyton/Jake. That's what I call love. Too bad the writers had to destroy it for a couple that in my book will never be true love.

Like People said watch Past season. To figure out why Peyton and Lucas are they way they are you need to watch S1. Peyton always had Commitment issues, and Like Brooke said Lucas has a habbit of not following his heart when he's scared always goes to the wrong person.

I think you girls really need to watch past season especially S1 (for LP) and S3(for Peyton). And S4 for both, to know why they are that why and their insecurities. I don't think you guys even watched beginning S5 lol!, Rewatch 501 & 502.

Kim - great comment and I can see where you're coming from. I even asked Jackie today about Haley's past...from what everyone else has said in the comments it seems like lots of the storylines end up being used over and over (maybe in different ways). For me, even if Haley is a bit of a hypocrite for having kissed Chris, she did just flip out because she saw her husband getting out of the shower with their nanny. I'm just sayin' :) But really, thanks for your comment, it definitely opens my eyes to why everyone is so adamant about Sarah and I watching all of the seasons (which I sadly don't have time for).

All right, I was one of the ones who said a while back that Mia and... not Jackie, the other one (sorry I'm just bad with names) should catch up on the episodes. And just to speak to you saying that you are entitled to have an opinion, yes, I agree that you are. That being said, One Tree Hill is a very cyclical show; everything comes back, everything has a point, everything has a parallel. And sometimes, when you say you don't agree or don't understand something, you miss the whole point of it by not having seen the other seasons. My example of this would be Nathan and Nanny Carrie vs. Haley and Chris Keller. The more it plays out, the closer those two relationships seem; Haley's just getting it from the other side. I just think that this would be an example of something that you would see in a different light had you watched previous seasons. And, besides that, I think you would have a much better viewing experience having a full understand of where these characters have been now that you're seeing where they are going.
I don't know. But then again, I am one of those people that to "watch" a show I have to see every single episode or I freak out.

...But I really do like the podcast. I get a few chuckles, a few realizations sometimes. And then OTH is rerun on Sundays at 6, so I like to watch it myself, listen to you guys, and then watch it again on Sundays with a different perspective.

Anyone complaining to you guys, myself included, is probably just being an armchair quarterback.

I love your podcasts but I'm one of those who think Owen/Rachel have a connection and a past. I think they could work together as a couple though.

Mark should just stop with giving Brooke new love interests eveery season when she is not with Luke. Its getting very booooring and predictable after 5 yrs. We've had Felix in S2, Nick and Chase in S4 and now Owen in S5. For God's sake enough already!

We all know there is only one true love for Brooke and it's Lucas Scott.

Leyton being true is so wrong. How can people who cheat and hurt people left and right be called true love?

NO, true love would be Jake/Peyton and Lucas/Brooke. They have something called selfless love. Peyton with Luke do NOT. It's a complete joke to call her selfless around Lucas Scott!

You guys doing the podcast who have not watch previous seasons go watch S2 and S3 and you'll see why Jeyton and Brucas fans are so upset right now.

LOL....I loved this Podcast! It was so hilarious, I agree with Mia, Nathan's a dumbass! You guys were also talking about you don't know everything because you're new but I like that you guys are new and you at least had one person who's not. I mean a lot of people watching the show are new to it so I have no problem if you don't know something, I enjoy you guys!

I like Owen character but I hate him for Brooke, probably because I am a Brucas fan. Also the thing Mia said about Leyton, I so agreed, they had three years to fix their problems and they didn't once try to. Well actually Lucas called up Peyton in 502 or 503 I can't remember but in the flashback he said she should come to the book signing and Peyton like a retard thought he was dating Lindsey, she could at least said hi if she 'loved' him so much.

Again good job! You guys rock!

I love Nathan but I'm going to agree with Mia. I hate to love these characters!! Uggh!!
I don't wanna think about this episode anymore. Great podcast once again ladies!!