Supreme Court fires up abortion foes

Picture a country where there is no abortion, no birth control, no sex education in schools, no evolution taught, & no pornography.

Picture the 10 commandments in every courtroom, homosexual behavior re-instituted as a psychological disorder, all homosexual acts illegal, bible studies in all schools, & book banning in libraries.

This is what the radical Christian right envisions this country becoming. I have far more fear of their attempts to take over this country then any terrorist organization from abroad.

Spare the crocodile tears. Abortions are still legal - it is a very barbaric and uncivilized surgical procedure that has been made illegal. It also means less income for the surgical butchers who practiced it - tough! As for the handwringing feminist harpies - the time is long overdue when glorified feminine hygiene problems were removed from the courts and political life. This is a start - get used to it!

RomanB,

Don't forget the holy war that the RR's fearless leader started in Iraq.

This is just the first step to show that women don't have the right to choose murder.
What a GREAT DAY for life.
May GOD bless America and The Supreme Court!

Paulo

I cannot say I'm surprised, as this is the kind of banner-waving issue that gets votes from those who count symbolism as an achievement, rather than something tangible.

Women with a "risk" pregnancy in late-term will now undergo a more expensive C-section abortion, with more risk to the woman of infection - this will increase medical costs, which will end up raising insurance rates. Therefore, nothing tangible has been achieved at all by this decision.

If anything ever echoed the complete lack of actual gain, while getting a photo-op, this decision typifies the past 6 years under Bush.

Meanwhile, thousands upon thousands of "already born" children die of disease and famine and war, and that does not register.

Fundamentalism is the problem, because while it may "feel good" for those involved, it's always at the expense of the "real" majority of the citizens impacted. It does give people like Bush something to run on as an "accomplishment", but of course it's an "empty" one, much like the "Mission Accomplished" moment on the carrier deck.

RomanB,
What does what you write have anything to do with child killing? Are you in favor of using scissors to collapse the scull of unborn baby after it is partially delivered? If it doesn't bother you then, then would it bother you if the baby was 3 months old and the execution was done in the same way? The Nazis couldn't even come up with a way to execute someone in a more vicious way. You have to be a total sicko and full of hate for mankind to be upset that we are abolishing this horifying practice.

Great news for mothers, daughters and sisters that carry babies that develop pre-natal encephalitis! Hope your mother, daughter, or sister appreciates you men telling them they can either deliver a baby with a swollen head the size of a basketball thru their vagina or they can be surgically cut open. God forbid a doctor relieve the inflamation to avoid a horribly bloody scene. And for you ignorant authoritarians the medical term is dilation and extraction.

And may God bless President Bush for his choice of Alito and Roberts for The Supreme Court.
What a Great Day!!

Paulo

I am only sad that the decision was so narrow. Rolling back the Abortion Industry is essential. We have currently killed, murdered, aborted, terminated (use whatever word you want), 45,000,000 children (babies, fetus, Americans) since Roe v. Wade.

This decision was a long time in coming and is hopefully the first step of many to rolling back Roe v. Wade and returning the issue to the voters, the legislature.

I'm happily surprised by Justice Kennedy on this one though.

Finally, the Court inches toward sanity in its abortion rulings.

Abortion, and the Court-invented "right" to an abortion, is not and never was a part of the US Constitution. It's for the people, not the courts, to decide.

I think RomanB needs to go watch a few ComCast commercials and S-L-o-w down....and maybe thank his parents for not believing in abortion.

Paulo

RomanB,
Don't forget that Evangelicals aren't crazy about democracy either. Because in a democracy you have to treat everyone as equal. And every Evangelical Christian knows that God did not make everyone equal.

The "pro-lifers" don't seem to have a problem with the death penalty,they also can't find it in their conservative hearts to adequately fund our overworked,overwelmed adoption and foster care programs.

They need to start fully funding and supporting these programs or stop telling women what to do with their bodies.

A woman can still get a "late term" abortion. This ruling only specifically banned the partial birth of a live being and then killing it. A woman can still have the fetus killed in the womb and then have it extracted. Late term abortion is still legal.

I sense in influx of bible thumpers coming on this thread.

The BIG LIE surrounding this specific abortion process is that it is only used when the health of the mother requires it. The facts have been shown that it is used as a matter of convenience (a smashed head is easier to extract than an intact one) and that NEVER is this method therapeutic, preserving the “health” of the mother.

Liberals want “health” as a general escape clause to excuse all forms of abortion, including mental distress. How many pregnant women do not experience mental distress?

Liberals of all political parties are underground members of the Party of Death, wishing to enshrine death of the very young and very old as a means of enhancing life for the powerful.

Today is a sad day for women's rights and women's health.

Late-term abortions are not common, anyway, and they are most often done at a physician's discretion because of danger to the mother's life and/or health or because of fetal abnormalities. It's not like there are tons of five-months-pregnant women who just wake up one day and say, "Hey, I just decided I don't want to have a baby - I'll just stroll down to the local clinic and get this taken care of."

Paulo - Spare me the "maybe thank his parents for not believing in abortion" bit. My parents are both vehemently pro-choice, and I'm here. Pro-choice is not pro-abortion; it's about people having the right to decide when to become parents.

How about this: Women and men act a little more responsibly while having sex and avoid all the "unwanted" pregnancies.

You know, I'm generally pro-life, and I applaud this decision, but I still think putting those ultraconservative nutjobs on the Supreme Court will be bad for our country and our civil liberties.
Then again, I believe in evolution and the Bible. Wish there were more people like me in America...oh, wait! Most of us are, we just don't have the fanaticism of the emotionally high-strung Conservative and Liberal whackjobs on both sides of this issue.

Paulo, if that's your name, stop celebrating. This decision effects far less than 1% of abortions, and overturning Roe only got 2 votes today: Scalia & Thomas. For some reason that aspect of it is not being under reported.

Thank God for some sanity from the Supreme Court! Hopefully this is the first of many RIGHT decisions to come.

Picture a country where you are targeted for practising Christianity, and can get your throat slashed for distributing bibles. RomanB your views are as myopic as they come.

Uncle Vincent
your statement '"The "pro-lifers" don't seem to have a problem with the death penalty' is the most ill-informed thought of the day. congrats.

"Liberals of all political parties are underground members of the Party of Death, wishing to enshrine death of the very young and very old as a means of enhancing life for the powerful."

Posted by: Stuart L. Brogden | Apr 18, 2007 2:42:05 PM

Funniest post ever.

P.S. Booo!!

The United States of America has turned into the laughingstock of the world over ignorant decisions made by this administration, decisions that are shortsighted and threaten the lives of millions upon millions of people. And I, a devoted citizen, am sad to say that I agree with the world. Something is rotten in the 50 states.

I can't say that I agree with this ruling, but only because there isn't anything that makes an allowance for a woman's health. If having the baby will kill the woman, then it should be her decision to get an abortion, not anybody else's.

On the other hand, I think abortion as a "choice" should not exist. Women shouldn't be able to terminate a baby's life because they are so slutty that they can't use condoms or take birth control pills. It is called RESPONSIBILITY. If the only reason you want an abortion is because you don't feel like ruining your night life, then you need to be sterilized and never allowed to get pregnant in the first place.

Of the 45 MILLION babies murdered since the Roe v Wade decision, which one was destined to find the cure for AIDS? Which one was destined to invent propulsion technology that would make true space flight possible? How much has our civilization lost just to satisfy the desire of the abortion industry to live well?

Uncle Vincent,
Didn't you know life begins at conception, but public concern for the child ends at birth? We need to make sure every pregnancy is carried to term while simultaneously reducing funding for these unwanted, often-abandoned and neglected children.

Until the mother actually gives birth it is not an unborn baby that is being aborted but a fetus. There is no life destroyed. Women should absolutely have the freedom to choose.

Actually whitney, sex is about people having the right to decide to become parents. Thats what happens after sex, pregnancy. Life is funny- it cant procreate without our help.

@witz
"Are you in favor of using scissors to collapse the scull of unborn baby "
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Lies like these are the battle cry of the neocons and all others who can't think for themselves.

As we all know, it's much easier to get fired up by bs like this, then say if someone said, "Abortions performed on the 92nd day are done exactly the same way as they are on the 22nd day"...Thats not nearly as controversial though.

The Taliban have arrived in America. Religious convictions over-ruling doctors' recommendations on medical procedures through the courts. This is cause for sorrow, not joy.

Vincent,

Government funding is not the answer to all of our nation's problems. There is no law that I am aware of preventing you from contributing your time and money to the under-funded foster care programs.

The Roe v Wade decision determined that abortion regulation should be left to the federal government, not the states. This ruling was a challenge to a federal law which was upheld. This does not "erode" Roe v Wade, it reaffirms the federal government's power to legalize or outlaw abortion practices.

Today, science and logic came together and took a step forward. Selfish human emotion must be seperated, in order to read the facts accurately. We must see this as a living child rather than some extra organ that can be removed. Planned Parenthood has to much money in this, creating a conflict of interest. If we truly respect women and want to empower them we must allow women to be fully educated and informed. Why does Planned Parenthood look down on sonograms and ultrasounds? Again, science and logic have prevailed.

I think that it is funny that the liberals bemoan that the Supreme Court ignored 30 years of jurisprudence in reaching its decision released today. I for one am glad that the Supreme Court has the ability to look back and realize that past courts made a mistake and has the guts to fix it. If the court could not do that, we would still be living with the Dred Scott decision.

Abortion is murder. Capital punishment is the execution of a death sentence for a severe crime - something that is not only approved, but mandated in both the Old and the New Testaments. The correct interpretation of the Commandment is 'thou shalt not 'murder'' (not thou shalt not kill).
There are more children killed in one week of abortions than have been killed in the entire war in Iraq - but the liberal media does not bemoan their loss.
If you are going to quote Evangelicals, you should understand what they believe first - instead of just quoting what you have been TOLD that they believe.

@RomanB

That sounds pretty good to me!

"Today is a sad day for woman's rights and health"
Posted by Whitney...

Well Whitney,do you call 70,000,000 million abortions/murders a happy thing?
This is a step in the right direction for our country.

Paulo

To all of you anti-life people out there, I say.
Picture your child, your husband, your mother.....having their little bodies tenderly handled, with a doctor carefully inserting a scissors like prong into the back of the head and then......that future loved one's body first stiffening, then going limp and lifeless.

Read the brief for yourself from the Supreme Court of the testimony of the nurse, regarding what she saw happen to a child, half way out of the womb in just such a case. It will make your blood freeze. By the way, I'm not one of those kooks who holds up those awful placards, but if you don't recognize this as murder, you aren't human.

I’ve walked through the Auschwitz concentration camp twice & I don’t see any comparison between what the Nazi’s did & dilation and extraction (or, the scissors in the skull partial birth abortion spin on a medical procedure).

I only hope no one has to confront the same procedure as my sister, (with six children & who doesn’t believe in contraception) who has had this procedure performed.

Paulo, James,
You seem to think women in this country don't have the right to think for them selves. What gives you and any other man the right to tell women what are the best options for themselves, their future and their bodies. I hope you plan on donating all of your money to support all of the children that will now be born un-wanted. Maybe adopt some? You could become father of the year....some how I don't think you'll do anything except jump up and down waving the anti-(any) abortion flag.

People (mostly men from my unscientific observations) seem to think women want to get abortions. This is a huge decision a woman must make. Especially when there are more unplanned pregnancies than ever. Especially when there are more deadbeat dads than ever. If women are forced to carry pregnancies full-term, what kind of accountability should the fathers of these unplanned children have mandated?

Women don't use abortions as a first measure of birth control. There is the pill, there is EC, there is RU-486, there are condoms, and such. These options are much easier and much less psychologically traumatic. Give women some credit.

I think if men were able to become pregnant, there is no way in hell America would be banning D&E's.

Roman B, Think about what you are saying. That it is okay for a women to choose to have her baby killed, because it is inconvenient. She doesnt deserve to ever have children. She obviously cares more about herself that the welfare of her child, which is why there are so many problems in our society today...neglect...abuse...I myself had parents that neglected me. I still am suffering from that. Think how the creator of the earth suffers when you kill one of his children. Or secularly, that child could have made a difference in this world. When do we get to choose who dies? Its inhumane. Having the ten commandments in school wouldnt be soo bad. What are they? You shall have no other Gods but me.
1. You shall not make for yourself Any idol, Nor bow down to it or worship it.
2. You shall Not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
3. You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
4. Respect your father and mother.
5. You must not kill.
6. You must not commit adultery.
7. You must not steal.
8. You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.
9. You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods.
10. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
If all children today were taught these priciples, they would better benifit society. Think about it. If you will, email me your reply. Thank you.

Jethro, I am evangelical, all men are equal in God's eyes. Where are you getting that? None of us are equal to God. Tell me where in the Bible you found that. Email me your reply. If you are right I'll apologize.

Uncle Vincent, check this out and then just be quiet. The Christian community is already taking care of your concerns. Come to my church where there are a lot of former foster care kids, now adopted into loving homes. http://www.antiochadoptions.org/

My Dear Uncle Vincent,
Us "pro-lifers" have a problem with murder, whether it is of an unborn child or a fully-grown adult. The last time I checked, the death penalty was reserved for capitol crimes, murder being one of these. Unfortunately, only murdering a person who has already been born will result in capitol punishment.
As for these "overworked, overwelmed adoption and foster care programs," are you implying that you (and others who share your view point) should not be helping these children?

Sincerely,
William S.

If anti-choicers (because both sides are pro-life, just different lives) really want to decrease abortions, what we need in this country is full coverage sex ed from the time when children start figuring out the differences between boys and girls, free and easily attainable contraception of ALL kinds for all people of ALL ages and genders without parental involvment, and as much support as humanly possible for the poor. Then we would decrease our abortion rates significantly. Want to stop abortion? Hand out free condoms and Plan B.

Banning abortions has been shown to not significantly decrease the number of abortions that happen - because they happen for good reasons - in our country or others. What it does is make women endanger their lives and their families by taking away their options. Illigal abortions are incredibly less safe than legal ones. In this case, Intact D&E is often safer (and in my personal opinion, less gruesome) than the other options available at that time in the pregnancy. Thank you, Pb, your "It does give people like Bush something to run on as an 'accomplishment'" is right on the head.

Abortion can be a moral and right choice. When you cannot give a child the life that children deserve. When you or the fetus's health is bad. When you could not support your other children or the children you may yet have someday if you had this one. When having the baby will put your life in danger not only from sickness, but from partners or parents. Choices have to be made, and every single individual situation is different. We should not legislate the masses; we should let people make their own decisions with their doctors and families, because only they know their situation. Do not presume that a mother who would choose to let go of the baby is some sort of psycho. She has looked at this decision from every angle and this is the best choice she feels that she has. Don't judge her.

whats an abortion. mom always tells me I'm an abortion that lived. My sister just lafs

Whitney,
If you dont think you are ready to have a baby. Dont get into a sexual relationship. I think its wrong when you have sex, get pregnant, and say you arent ready for a baby. Sex was made to be part of holy matramony. If you do it get pregnant then It is your fault. Dont blame it on anyone else. Thanks for listening.

Picture a country where unborn children have less protection than endangered insects.

Picture a country where school children are taught that because they are no more than highly evolved animals they should give in to their basest desires with no restrictions on sexual activity including allowing older men to have sex with young boys.

Picture a country where women are objectified and glorified for their willingness to act like sluts.

Picture a society where criminals have more rights than the abused, where homosexual activity is viewed as an orientation rather than a behavioral anamoly.

Sadly, you don't have to picture this, because this is what we have become. Psalm 9:17 says, "the wicked will be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God".

Roman, you have nothing to fear from Christians. In fact you have more freedom to espouse your views in this "Christian" country than virtually anywhere in the world.

The problem with the references to "the will of the people" is that this was the will of the people in 2003 with a Congress that, by virtue of the outcome of the last Congressional election, does not necessarily reflect the current will of the people. To infer that Bush's hand-picked Supreme Court is only reflecting the will of the constituance is very misleading.

The right-wing has finally found a Swamp thread that they can post on, and find support from the like-minded. This is to be expected, as science is definitely low-priority for this crowd.

All that matters is the outcome, and for a woman requiring a late-term abortion, they will still get it, but with added risk. This decision trades an unpleasant "image" of the removal of the fetus, vs. added risks for the mother. That's a negative total outcome.

When those celebrating posters explain why thousands of "living" children die each week around the world, victims of war and disease, we might get to some actual discussion in lieu of diatribe. Don't expect the facts to get in the way of the emotional response.

Now for the real question: if a sperm and egg are not a human, and a newborn baby is one, when does the change occur? How do we draw the line?

Our country is committed to protecting the lives of innocent people. Why have we not legally defined personhood?

I guarantee you this: you won't find any logical reason to define it according whether to a child is inside the womb or outside.

Whitney, it's not about "pro-choice". It's about people in America being sexually irresponsible. Think about it, you say "...it's about people having the right to decide when to become parents." Now really, shouldn't they have thought about that beforehand? America is becoming selfish and irresponsible. Hopefully this Supreme Court Decision will take photo-finished words such as "health", "dilation" and "extraction" from organizations supporting this practice. Americans need to be told what this is really about: killing innocent children in order to live a life of pleasure and irresponsibility.

If we find that being gay is really genetic, could we at least abort those babies?

This changes nothing.
Selfish hedonists will remain the same.
Judgemental elitists will remain the same.
The ignorant will remain ignorant.
The enlightened will still smile and weep.
All the wonderful shades of gray in between will still exist. I will get old and die. Then perhaps I will know something.

References to the Ten Commandments in light of the Bush administration's performance are laughable:

1. You shall not make for yourself Any idol, Nor bow down to it or worship it.
Bush's worship of business and power is well-documented

2. You shall Not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
Got anything to say Mr. Vice President?

3. You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
They usually use Sunday to sneak stuff by without us knowing it. It's a slow news day and it's usually in the bag before we hear what happened.

4. Respect your father and mother.
George is in constant competition with his father. Really Freudian.

5. You must not kill.
Over 3000 American servicemen sent to their death under false pretense in the name of arrogance. Tens of thousands if Iraqi citizens murdered as well.

6. You must not commit adultery.
I feel screwed, don't you?

7. You must not steal.
There's so much material here I don't know where to start. Everything from the Houston Astros to our Constitutional rights.

8. You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.
Three letters: W M D

9. You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods.
It's the OIL, stupid.

10. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
See Commandment number nine.

Paul, that comment is very insulting and I would not be surprised in the least if you are in support of all abortions in order to demean the reputation of the pro-life movement.

Thank God--the Supreme Court has just saved the lives of thousands of America’s future children.

Why do the "numbers" of babies killed keep going from 45 million to 70 million and back to 45 million. Its almost as if some one was making them up....

Carrie S.
Read your Bible, enjoy your faith, blow up the ten commandments into wallpaper and redecorate your house. But try to raise my kids how you see fit, sorry a little bit out of your league. And that's coming from a Catholic that attends weekly Mass with the family.

Until the mother actually gives birth it is not an unborn baby that is being aborted but a fetus. There is no life destroyed. Women should absolutely have the freedom to choose.

Posted by: Jake | Apr 18, 2007 2:54:17 PM

this is the crux of the pro abortion/choice argument-

Jake- so you are saying that you are not human, until you actually pass through the birth canaL?

Babies in the womb respond to light, sound and touch- they also learn what there parents voices sound like... they act like humans, because they are humans. The fact that there is a human skull to crush and a human brain to suck out is makes the defending if this procedure indefensible

Don't lighten your moral load by trying to dilute the humanity of human children by calling then fetuses until they are born...

Your phrase "no life destroyed" is as chilling as it is innacurate..

Today the greatest danger to America and its peoples’ freedom is the effort of organized evangelical Christianity to increase its uncompromising grip on the national, state, and local governments and by so doing, the American people. Some denominations are more resolute than others, but nevertheless it is a relentless movement.

If religion becomes the major influencing factor in our government, we will have a modified fascist government. Many freedoms now taken for granted will go away, not the least of which is the very freedom that allowed this to happen; the first amendment of our constitution. Organized religion is deeply involved in Government now. If you don’t believe the religious right, is in some manner, funding its selected representatives either with money or votes, you are indeed naïve to the point where you will believe anything you are told to believe.

Dear "Jake"- you obviously are not a parent, or have never seen or heard an ultra-sound. To say that an "Until the mother actually gives birth it is not an unborn baby that is being aborted but a fetus". . .is like saying that the fruit on an apple is not an apple until it is ripe enough to fall off. Only then can it be called an apple? My son was born 6 weeks early. . .does that mean I gave birth to a fetus?

Furthermore re: Planned Parenthoods response. . .I found it so interesting how many times they used the words "Women's Health" and how the bill disregards Women's health, etc, etc. . . As I understand it, about 1/2 the abortions are done to female fetus'. . .which if given a chance to survive would turn out to be women. I don't get that. Abortions are anything but healthy for those unborn "women".

Becky A

Eugenics (abortion) - Kill the poor of the world. Those who fight abortion are the abolitionist of our time! Why is planned parenthood and other such groups trying to get congress to pass bills to protect them from law suites tied to medical malpractice related to a ruined abortion. Yeah they really care about my health or the health of other women! Get the facts please. Also, it was white men that ended slavery and as a black woman I am happy they did! You don’t need to be a woman to know abortion is wrong.

When does the unborn baby's heart begin to beat? The heartbeat begins on the 21st day after conception.

When does the brain begin to function? Electrical brain waves have been recorded as early as forty days.

How early can a baby survive outside the mother's womb? Currently, twenty weeks is considered the accepted minimum. However, this time will be reduced as medical technology continues to improve.

Who's having abortions (income)? Women with family incomes less than $50,000 obtain over 85% of all abortions.

1) Abortion is the killing of innocent poor humans.

2) Nearly 100% of all third trimester killings are not for health issues. Poor uneducated women under duress are manipulated into believing the act will be socially convenient and accepted.

3) Planned Parenthood is the largest lobbyist of abortion and has made over $100 million by pushing such procedures.

4) Most people do not see this as a choice but as a refusal to deal with the natural consequence of making a poor choice. This re-do unforutnatly requires the killing of a mute and weak human.

The pro-aborts post lies and Kyra leads the charge. Of course making abortion illegal would reduce the number of abortions. Do you liberals also favor the right of a mother to murder her son / daughter after it is born if he has downs syndrome and you don't value his life? Why not extend the age of allowing a mother to kill her offspring up to the age of 1 if she doesn't want it. And if she does, in the words of Krya 'Don't judge her'. After all she can kill it with 'HER BODY'. Why do you think that your life is worth more than one that is unborn? Can any lib answer that question. Another point for you libs. Seems like you would be in favor of murdering people on welfare since they need support also.

The pro-aborts post lies and Kyra leads the charge. Of course making abortion illegal would reduce the number of abortions. Do you liberals also favor the right of a mother to murder her son / daughter after it is born if he has downs syndrome and you don't value his life? Why not extend the age of allowing a mother to kill her offspring up to the age of 1 if she doesn't want it. And if she does, in the words of Krya 'Don't judge her'. After all she can kill it with 'HER BODY'. Why do you think that your life is worth more than one that is unborn? Can any lib answer that question. Another point for you libs. Seems like you would be in favor of murdering people on welfare since they need support also.

I have to admit that the Supreme Court is thinkin ahead.
We want to make sure that there's plenty of cannon fodder 18 years from now.

"If you dont think you are ready to have a baby. Dont get into a sexual relationship."

...Sorry, I have to say it - This from the people who brought you the virgin birth.

You know, a lot of people need an abortion for health reasons (mental or physical), economic reasons, rape, incest, or because the condom broke or the pill failed. It's more than a little unfair to characterize the average woman looking for help as a "slut" or to generalize them as all having sex outside of marriage. Many, many abortions are needed for married women. (Most of us don't think sex outside of marriage is a bad thing, btw...)

Sex is useful for a lot of things besides procreation. It strengthens a couple, it helps them to grow together and create a bond in which they can create a family if they choose to. It releases stress and anger and it makes you feel good both physically and psychologically. It does this work a lot better when you don't have to fear having a child. Women who are perpetual baby makers often die early and painful deaths.

To Sam,

How many of those 45 millions would have ended up in dumpster/foster care if they were born? How may of them would have become anti-socials and murdered ? millions?
It is unfortunate that America preaches democracy to the world when it is curtailing individual rights back home.

Europe is moving forward with gay/lesbian rights etc and the Euro is dominating the dollar. Is this the beginning of the dominance of Europe and the decline of USA?

Tell me pb, what are YOU doing to help those children dying of war and disease? How can we have an honest debate when you don't tell us what YOU are doing? I have a kid in Uganda I support. "Save one life and you save the world."

I look forward to hearing what YOU are doing so you can contribute to the debate.

If the right wants to take-up the right to life crusade, why not take the Bush administration to task for sweeping Iraqi casualties under the term collateral damage? Would it be different if Iraqi’s were mostly Christians instead of Muslims?

Remember that Ann Coulter, the conservative goddess on the right, said Middle Eastern leaders should be all killed & their Muslim population be converted to Christianity.

That doesn’t sound too radical now does it?

Please decide on the timing of procreation by acting responsibly beforehand. Unfortunately the vast majority of these abortions are not for the mother's health but as an escape route to realizing the result of what commonly happens when a man and woman come together that way. Irresponsibility or "poor timing" should not be taken out on the baby that results from that. We should not point the finger at our youth and shame them, forcing the sense that hiding it or making it go away is the only way out, rather we should continue to love them and support them; give them hope and reassurance. Our children are blessings not curses, no matter how they are conceived, and yes that applies to rape victims too (the whole 4% that initiate an abortion). Killing a child will never make things better, it is never the right thing to do. As for the cases where abortion is used to save the mother from certain death I don't think that is really the topic here as the statistics have shown that that scenario is but a drop of water in the ocean of "planned parenthood" abortions. We don't solve problems by trying to fix the outcome. Anymore than one would fix a leaky faucet by throwing a wrench at the puddle collecting beneath it.
In all of this, let us think, speak, and act out of our love for life, even the ones we can't hold yet. I think it is not spoken clearly enough that those of us who do support this ban have an equal care for the mothers. That would be the acme of foolishness to protect one life yet disregard the other.
And not to sound as though I have an agenda, but for the "I sense in influx of bible thumpers coming on this thread" I am proudly and gratefully one of those if by that you mean Christian. Remember John, not all the people doing the pounding represent or understand the Truth that is in that Bible, they just seem to get all the attention for the noise they make. Call it misrepresentation of the quiet-many by the loud-few. Please, I do urge you to read it sometime. May I graciously recommend 1 John 3:1 as a start. If it IS just a book full of lies what's the harm in reading it. I love fiction and am never threatened by it. But I think you will find it otherwise. Peace to all of you and may we show respect to each other regardless of our views.

"Jethro, I am evangelical, all men are equal in God's eyes. Where are you getting that? None of us are equal to God. Tell me where in the Bible you found that. Email me your reply. If you are right I'll apologize."

Posted by: Carrie S. | Apr 18, 2007 3:05:38 PM

Watch Jesus Camp, and you'll find those beliefs expressed by the camp director of Kids on Fire. It is the final scene of the movie.

Leave it to an abortion thread to bring out the sickos. Here are some rantings from a godless "leftist" who doesn't have the time to patch together something that flows better.

Sex is not evil; people who have sex just for fun -- outside the bounds of "holy" matrimony -- are not (necessarily) sluts. Sex is not innately dangerous either, anymore than eating pizza is. It's all a question of degree and care.

It's too bad you whacked out Xtians have been raised to have horrible guilt over the subject, but let's face it, you people are not content unless you have something to feel bad about. That means you, Carrie, you raisin. Do the world a favor. If you must reproduce, please give the kid up for adoption, so it has the prospect of a sane life you're too nuts to provide.

Calling a cytoplast a person is like calling an acorn a 100-foot oak. There is a substantive difference between a cytoplast and a 20-year-old woman, just as there is a difference between a cytoplast and a viable fetus. One may criticize the trimester/viability analysis of Roe, but unlike you Bible Thumpers, that decision at least tries to sort out these differences and draw rational distinctions.

As for the Ten Commandments: It's Sunday, let's Play Ball!

It's called Natural Law. If you are a Christian, it's found in the Bible. If you are a Jew or a Muslim, its found in the Torah or the Quran.

Abortion involves two human beings. TWO. Your argument that its up to the woman to decide what to do is the exact same rhetoric that certain southern white males used for a couple hundred years in this country.

This ruling merely outlaws the most detestable and disgusting procedure for Abortion. One very small step. Even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, Abortion would still be legal. Did you even know that?

Uncle Vincent.
Implicit in the term “pro-life” is the understanding/belief that human life is sacrosanct and that the destruction of a person at any stage of life (i.e. from embryo to fetus to child to adult to the elderly) or condition of life (i.e. the value placed on human like is not withheld if a person is ill, handicapped, deficient, etc.) is contrary to that notion. “Pro-life” means that EVERYONE, from the unborn child diagnosed with downs syndrome to the child genius, has the same right to LIFE, and to the pursuit of the opportunities which that life affords. The same goes for a convicted felon or a terminally ill patient. The intentional taking of ANY human life is murder. Period. And as for the “overworked, overwhelmed adoption and foster care programs” argument, that is an infantile justification for the taking of 3500 innocent lives each day. That is equivalent to saying that we should murder every child in third world countries because there is not adequate distribution of the world’s food supplies. Or, based on that logic, one might say that since poor people are a drain on the economy, the economy would best be served if we murdered all the poor people (substitute “Jewish” for “poor” and we’ve arrived at part of Hitler’s justification for the Holocaust). Also, the practice of delivering a baby just enough so that the head is still inside the mother, then using scissors or another sharp instrument to create an wound in the back of the babies skull, through which the brain is sucked out, killing the child, is not “telling women what to do with their bodies.” And further more, an unborn child IS not part of the woman’s body. That baby has its own unique genetic code from the moment of conception-a black haired, brown eyed woman, could be carrying a blonde haired blue eyed baby boy with a different blood type than hers. They are distinct beings, individuals with their own unique DNA and genes. How sad that it’s taken our country this long to recognize this fact.

It looks like there's work to do. We need to start efforts to mandate retroactive abortions for those like Paulo. Then the world will say thank you.

If the women who get pregnant are "slutty" as some posters seem happy to proclaim, what are the men? You know - the ones who seek to have sex with women they know they have no real feelings for, no long-term interest in, no desire to have an honest relationship with? What about them? If you really want to put the whole abortion question to rest, the FACT is that the whole thing really starts with the simple act of men zipping up their pants. Because there's no such thing as an "immaculate conception."

What is your alternative??? What alternative do you propose for a wife, mother, sister, daughter that is carrying a baby w/ a head that, due to a pre-natal defect, is too large to pass thru the birth canal??? Force them to pass this baby thru her vagina?? Cut her open?? If the baby survives the birth defect, you want to saddle families w/ the burden of caring for a child w/ a mental disorder and other health complications?? D&E should not be for mother's that decide they don't want the responsibility of a baby. It's for fetus' that are suffering pre-natal disease and have little chance of leading normal lives even if they survive birth. What is your alternative if you take away this option for a mother?

Most women support "Roe". Most women have not felt that "Roe" was in danger and it has not been a single issue in their voting choice. Now that "Roe" is threatened, the right wing may find this decision a rallying point for women against them. Some victory.

Thank God--the Supreme Court has just saved the lives of thousands of America’s future children.

Posted by: Stephen Mercer | Apr 18, 2007 3:33:59 PM

Unfortunately, "He" evidently could not be bothered to do anything about all the thousands needless deaths that occurred in the last year. If there's a god, it's a sick and hateul god undeserving of the mindless worship you give it.

The pro-abortion women are ungrateful. Where are
you now if your Mother aborted you? You should be
grateful to your Mom because she made the right
choice by giving you a life.

Women do not have sex to get pregnant just to have an abortion. Some people say that its wrong, but honestly its something that, that individual has to deal with. I don't believe that a person who will never experience being pregnant or having a baby should tell a women that she can't have an abortion. Coming from someone who has been down that road, it hurts but it was a decision that I had to make and at that time it was the best decision for me.

Someone will say I should have better protected myself and I will agree I should have. But, just think about your life are you always 100% protected.

Abortion is an issue because it is fundamentally about the freedom of an individual to have sex on demand, and destroy the natural consequences of sex. No rational person would agree with murder. Abortion proponents argue "viability" to undermine the right-to-life argument. Of course we should not kill innocent babies. The place to start is with sensible legislation to protect the unborn.

Very few comments from women here. I loved Jose calling women slutty for not using condoms, though. How would I work that?

This is the point when the Western World gets its act together. We nolonger will have to fear those countries with highrer birth rates. We nolonger need be the agressors. Here is hoping that where the U.S.A. lead; Europe will follow. If we do go to war; at least we will be defending a society where the light of hope for the future is rekinled.

Women who have to make the choice to have an abortion are not serial killers and pyschopaths. They are your wives, mothers, sisters and bestfriends. The choice to have an abortion is never an easy one and the people who think that it is clear cut are clearly dilusional. I had two abortions and it was a deeply emotional experience every time. I am glad I had the choice and will fight everyday for other women to be able to have it as well. Pro-life activists talk about the constitutional "right to life"; well I would love to have a conversation about what that means because to me that involves the question of quality of life. I was deep in debt the first time i was pregnant and could not afford to give my child a life. During my second pregnancy i was told my child was slowly having the life crushed out of her because of a genetic disorder and would not survive to full term. When I made my decisions I considered every situation and senario in my mind. Adoption, government assistance, family support and more. I researched all of my options like i was writing a thesis on the subject. I know that every woman making the choice has been through the process as well. The priority in my decision was not my life but my child's life and how I could contribute to make it better and give them the best chance to make it. I dont know if I could have been a more responsible parent. We have over 400 million people living in this country and a large number of them live in poverty. We have not addressed the socio-economic issues for the current residents of this country and every day since our wonderful President Bush took office he has cut social service programs. Until we deal with social and family problems in this country no one has the right to deny a woman from having an abortion especially if it is the best choice for her child.

Good job Supreme Court! Finally a decent ruling.

@RomanB

What you fear is a moral society? You want pornography that leads to child molestors and rapist? Sounds like you've got things backwards.

This is a disgusting procedure, they freaking dismember a live baby. I don't think anyone really thinks that's okay.

I think we need to teach responsibility of having children, not how to dodge that responsibility by getting an abortion.

Don't sleep around if you are not prepared for the consequences and this applies to Men & Women.

Most of these post show me that people just don’t understand the decision made by the Supreme Court. The procedure of partially delivering a baby and ramming a sharp object in his head to depress the skull, has been made illegal. Thank God for that. That is the most inhumane way to go about a late term abortion. We don't even treat animals that way, yet we have people here crying a river because babies will no longer be killed that way. Late term abortions will still be performed; unborn babies will still die, so stop your crying. It will be more incovient for doctors and the women having the abortions, but the barbaric practice will no longer be performed. And all later term abortions are not done just for the women’s health, look in any phone book under abortion and you will see in big bold letters "Abortions performed up to 26 weeks". No doubt, this will not change. So stop your whining and rejoice that unborn babies will still die. Yeah, we are the laughing stock of the world, because of ignorant people, which are abundant on this post!

Actually, Stephen Mercer and the rest of you evangelical types, the Supreme Court has just endangered the lives of thousands of women whose lives are threatened by unviable pregnancies, and for whom intact dialation and extraction, the actual name for the banned procedure, is the safest course of action.

I hope to live to see the day when Evangelicals who speak with such loving concern about fetuses feel the same way about the PEOPLE on this Earth already.

It is AT BEST inconsistent that the same people who are Pro-Birth so loudly (I'll refer only broadly to the Republican Party, the political entity most closely aligned with Evangelicals and the largest "base" for said party), are also the people clamoring loudest for war. Ladies and gentlemen, AGGRESSIVE WAR IS MURDER. Where is the outrage?

"Small government conservatives" of the same party seek to undermine what little social safety net exists in this country, all while holding the Bible abr